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	<title>Comments on: What went wrong against Aston Villa?</title>
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		<title>By: Guru</title>
		<link>http://www.ourkop.com/2009/08/25/what-went-wrong-against-aston-villa/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aston Villa were just more hungry than Liverpool. I was more concerned by the way they appeared faster and quicker to the ball. Not sure if I should be too worried but at the moment, our defenders are looking too slow. We might just concede a whole host of goals this season if our backline keeps on playing like their feet are permanantly attached to the turf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aston Villa were just more hungry than Liverpool. I was more concerned by the way they appeared faster and quicker to the ball. Not sure if I should be too worried but at the moment, our defenders are looking too slow. We might just concede a whole host of goals this season if our backline keeps on playing like their feet are permanantly attached to the turf.</p>
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		<title>By: Kava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Manny, Biscan was not a Rafa signing. He was part Houllier's disasterous collection.

@Moko, I rate Spearing very highly and think he will be way more effective than Lucas. Let's give him a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Manny, Biscan was not a Rafa signing. He was part Houllier&#8217;s disasterous collection.</p>
<p>@Moko, I rate Spearing very highly and think he will be way more effective than Lucas. Let&#8217;s give him a go.</p>
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		<title>By: MoKo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoKo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the above response from elias330. In all this we are forgetting that Spearing is also available. 

Do you guys think he is worth a try?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the above response from elias330. In all this we are forgetting that Spearing is also available. </p>
<p>Do you guys think he is worth a try?</p>
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		<title>By: Manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a good point MoKo. If I am not mistaken Biscan was in that Champions League team! What is it with Rafa and these dodgy midfielders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a good point MoKo. If I am not mistaken Biscan was in that Champions League team! What is it with Rafa and these dodgy midfielders?</p>
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		<title>By: MoKo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think at the end of the day Liverpool Played badly against Villa. We can list all teh palyers and their faults all day but if liverpool TEAM had played well and won no one would be asking about Lucas' contribution, Torres' whining etc. 

The team just has to find a way of playing well and winning irrespective of who is on the field. That is the expectation we all have as fans. At the peak of our run towards the end of last season it actually didn't matter who did what in the team coz as at TEAM they were magnificent. We must just work with what we have. 

With Lucas in or out of the team I expect Liverpool to beat all comers, absolutely everyone! and i think as a TEAM we are capable of it and we have show this in the past. 

It is worth remembering that in Champion's League winning side there were some players who in my opinion who rank in the Lucas range and even lower. The current side is way better than that side. 

When we're winning again you find everyone on the team will play and look like a star! 

COME ON LIVERPOOL!!!!!  YNWA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think at the end of the day Liverpool Played badly against Villa. We can list all teh palyers and their faults all day but if liverpool TEAM had played well and won no one would be asking about Lucas&#8217; contribution, Torres&#8217; whining etc. </p>
<p>The team just has to find a way of playing well and winning irrespective of who is on the field. That is the expectation we all have as fans. At the peak of our run towards the end of last season it actually didn&#8217;t matter who did what in the team coz as at TEAM they were magnificent. We must just work with what we have. </p>
<p>With Lucas in or out of the team I expect Liverpool to beat all comers, absolutely everyone! and i think as a TEAM we are capable of it and we have show this in the past. </p>
<p>It is worth remembering that in Champion&#8217;s League winning side there were some players who in my opinion who rank in the Lucas range and even lower. The current side is way better than that side. </p>
<p>When we&#8217;re winning again you find everyone on the team will play and look like a star! </p>
<p>COME ON LIVERPOOL!!!!!  YNWA</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU CAN'T GIVE LUCAS 90% of the blame. He is def shite, and i do not want him on the team, but what about Torres and is whiny antics, falling everywhere. Or Gerrard, with the dumbest slide tackle ever and inaccurate passing and three missed goals. Or Carragher, who for the second time this season has been beaten on a set piece header. Or how bout Kuyt, who got no production on that right side. I thought Glen Johnson was playing RM for the longest time and I think Johnson had a great game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU CAN&#8217;T GIVE LUCAS 90% of the blame. He is def shite, and i do not want him on the team, but what about Torres and is whiny antics, falling everywhere. Or Gerrard, with the dumbest slide tackle ever and inaccurate passing and three missed goals. Or Carragher, who for the second time this season has been beaten on a set piece header. Or how bout Kuyt, who got no production on that right side. I thought Glen Johnson was playing RM for the longest time and I think Johnson had a great game.</p>
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		<title>By: elias330</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people need to understand is that you can not blame Gerrard or Torres because over the past few seasons they have been excellent for us, but in the case of Lucas hes always been the bench warmer and now when he gets his chance he blows it by putting poor performances and 1 performance just about average (against Tottenham) but other than that he is just a body running around the field like a headless chicken. call me a Lucas hater but i have given him many chances to change my mind but he just has not provided that spark of brilliance to be on that starting line up, i just cant wait for Aquilani, until then please drop Lucas give Spearing a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people need to understand is that you can not blame Gerrard or Torres because over the past few seasons they have been excellent for us, but in the case of Lucas hes always been the bench warmer and now when he gets his chance he blows it by putting poor performances and 1 performance just about average (against Tottenham) but other than that he is just a body running around the field like a headless chicken. call me a Lucas hater but i have given him many chances to change my mind but he just has not provided that spark of brilliance to be on that starting line up, i just cant wait for Aquilani, until then please drop Lucas give Spearing a go.</p>
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		<title>By: Manny</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all agree that Gerrard and Torres played badly. That is not in dispute. No one on the forum is star worshipping.

The point here is that Lucas has consistently played badly. Blame Gerrard for the penalty, blame Torres for the header, but who is to blame for the Villa opener? We cannot turn a blind eye to that especially in light of previous dissapointing performances. If Torres and Gerrard play badly why can't the other players (e.g Lucas) step up? When games were tight last season Yossi would come off of the bench and win it for us. That is a player who has proven his worth. Are we then saying that Liverpool winning or losing depends solely on Gerrard or Torres?

As regards Lucas at OT I wouldn't go so far as to say he won the game for Liverpool, it was one of his better performances but him winning it for us? I disagree.

We must also be careful to reduce soccer to stats, Voronin may have the same goal ratio as Keane but in the games I watched, Keane's overall contribution to the team was always good. As Ron said, Voronin came on and looked like a headless chicken. Note, this is not the first time that Voronin has played badly in a Liverpool shirt.

If I can ask the forum one simple question: How did Lucas play against Villa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all agree that Gerrard and Torres played badly. That is not in dispute. No one on the forum is star worshipping.</p>
<p>The point here is that Lucas has consistently played badly. Blame Gerrard for the penalty, blame Torres for the header, but who is to blame for the Villa opener? We cannot turn a blind eye to that especially in light of previous dissapointing performances. If Torres and Gerrard play badly why can&#8217;t the other players (e.g Lucas) step up? When games were tight last season Yossi would come off of the bench and win it for us. That is a player who has proven his worth. Are we then saying that Liverpool winning or losing depends solely on Gerrard or Torres?</p>
<p>As regards Lucas at OT I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say he won the game for Liverpool, it was one of his better performances but him winning it for us? I disagree.</p>
<p>We must also be careful to reduce soccer to stats, Voronin may have the same goal ratio as Keane but in the games I watched, Keane&#8217;s overall contribution to the team was always good. As Ron said, Voronin came on and looked like a headless chicken. Note, this is not the first time that Voronin has played badly in a Liverpool shirt.</p>
<p>If I can ask the forum one simple question: How did Lucas play against Villa?</p>
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		<title>By: MoKo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I add that Villa's second goal was Torres' fault. He was asleep on the job. The ball was in his zone and all he actually had to do was put in a proper challenge and Davies would not have been able to score. 

Gerrard and Torres costed us! Plain and simple! This Lucas talk is just to cover for the "superstars".

At this rate of star worship we'll end up like McClaren's England squad. Thankfully Rafa don't take reputations into account in dishing out blame!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I add that Villa&#8217;s second goal was Torres&#8217; fault. He was asleep on the job. The ball was in his zone and all he actually had to do was put in a proper challenge and Davies would not have been able to score. </p>
<p>Gerrard and Torres costed us! Plain and simple! This Lucas talk is just to cover for the &#8220;superstars&#8221;.</p>
<p>At this rate of star worship we&#8217;ll end up like McClaren&#8217;s England squad. Thankfully Rafa don&#8217;t take reputations into account in dishing out blame!!</p>
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		<title>By: MoKo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas' display in our OT 4-1! 

Voronin has hardly played. His goal ratio is just like Keane yet Liverpool fans were complaining when Keane was sold!!

There are players who are shielded from critisism coz of past performances. But if that was worth anything then we should sign Maradona coz he was great before!!!!!!

Gerrard and Torres shoulder the blame for me. Gerrard more so cos his key involvements were all negeative, missing and penalty!!!

WE lost because Villa put in a defensive performance that would have required us to either score that early chance or to play at the same level as at the end of the season when the ball was sticking to feet and shoots all flying in from any distance. 

It's early season and I'm of the opinion top teams don't hit top form till Jan. Only little teams get into the season on peak play well till Dec and fade to 7th (like Villa) at the end. you cannot sustain the energy levels to play like they did last night. Let me remind you of Hull last season!

Again like last season we've have played mainly top half teams (2 out of 3)early on. look at the Mancs they've played 2 promoted clubs already!!!!! 

But you play what's in front of you. We just have to do better under the circumstances.

A plea to my fellow fans. Don't be superficial. It's easy to pick on Lucas. We can't have our own fans BULLYING our own players!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas&#8217; display in our OT 4-1! </p>
<p>Voronin has hardly played. His goal ratio is just like Keane yet Liverpool fans were complaining when Keane was sold!!</p>
<p>There are players who are shielded from critisism coz of past performances. But if that was worth anything then we should sign Maradona coz he was great before!!!!!!</p>
<p>Gerrard and Torres shoulder the blame for me. Gerrard more so cos his key involvements were all negeative, missing and penalty!!!</p>
<p>WE lost because Villa put in a defensive performance that would have required us to either score that early chance or to play at the same level as at the end of the season when the ball was sticking to feet and shoots all flying in from any distance. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s early season and I&#8217;m of the opinion top teams don&#8217;t hit top form till Jan. Only little teams get into the season on peak play well till Dec and fade to 7th (like Villa) at the end. you cannot sustain the energy levels to play like they did last night. Let me remind you of Hull last season!</p>
<p>Again like last season we&#8217;ve have played mainly top half teams (2 out of 3)early on. look at the Mancs they&#8217;ve played 2 promoted clubs already!!!!! </p>
<p>But you play what&#8217;s in front of you. We just have to do better under the circumstances.</p>
<p>A plea to my fellow fans. Don&#8217;t be superficial. It&#8217;s easy to pick on Lucas. We can&#8217;t have our own fans BULLYING our own players!!!!</p>
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